SAN November 13 evening news, Beijing Posts and Telecommunications,徵信社, Professor Kan Kaili at large Pok guest Sina science and technology, read interoperability, through the broadband retail market competition to reduce prices, while strengthening the supervision of telecom tariff, the market monopoly, a fine sweep back to the consumer.
The following is the transcript of Record:
Moderator: Kan teacher,矽橡膠製品, was accused of monopoly Telecom China Unicom is this a Ji-day, the first CCTV exposure, then the people of Post and Telecommunication fight back, telecom Unicom's employees in the microblogging appeal Ku, radio and television broadcasting as well as Chinese Chen Xiaoning Association, said the matter also, how do you look at this thing?
Kan Kaili: The Development and Reform Commission investigated Telecom and China Unicom in the broadband Internet monopoly, I think Ji of:
First, Telecom and China Unicom in the broadband Internet monopoly is indisputable. Because there are two elements to determine the monopoly, the first is they have a dominant market position, no doubt, 2008 Development and Reform Commission last telecom restructuring, Telecom and China Unicom have already clearly placed in this position, move relative to speak more fully, are the three national coverage, the relative movement of the competition and comparison and better.
but broadband Internet backbone, we only have two, one is Telecom, a China Unicom, and telecommunications, mainly in 21 provinces in Southern China Unicom mainly in the north more than 10 provinces. This naturally put the two of them placed in a home monopoly position, so this has a dominant market position, it is beyond doubt.
Second, they are not there to squeeze out competitors, and then to seek a monopoly, and the consequences of this behavior is clear. I remember a year ago, when China Telecom (microblogging) out of one pair of CRC operation clean-up through traffic, just talked about Telecom and China Unicom in the south and the north, in the Internet backbone dominates the surface, a in Telecom and China Unicom to develop their own end-users, both large enterprises and institutions, as well as residential users, while it's operating as an Internet backbone network, making some small Internet access service providers must also Telecom and China Unicom to rent them to the backbone network capacity, otherwise Rom.
Telecom and China Unicom to give these small Internet service provider's price is very high, such as gigabit per 1 million per month or more. On the other hand, (Telecom China Unicom) to their users, especially large users, such as large banks or enterprises, the same bandwidth, only two to three million a month, three or four thousands or even lower. This wholesale Ji times the retail price, which in any industry are definitely abnormal.
because the Railway,九份民宿, the Great Wall Broadband, Gehua these companies in the retail market,法律問題, with Telecom and China Unicom constitute a competitive relationship, so he from the upstream bandwidth of backbone network resources essential to the above, the competition on the downstream card who. This is a clear market dominance with their pushed competition to the monopoly market monopoly purpose.
the retail market, the large number of users, the face of the retail market, competition is less, naturally the price will be high, and it resulted in Telecom and China Unicom both in the retail market in a home dominance.
Telecom and China Unicom has a monopoly in the broadband Internet, it is beyond doubt. These events last year because Railway and the Great Wall Broadband overwhelmed by these companies, so it is not Telecom and China Unicom rent directly to the backbone network bandwidth, but to the Telecom and China Unicom users to sublease, which can greatly reduce its cost. Telecom a look, not only I earned less money, and reduce the cost of competitors, and have the strength to compete with me, so clean-up through traffic, resulting in a large area in Guangdong Railway's off the network, at least how many people complained.
this phenomenon, clearly Telecom and China Unicom broadband Internet access, the formation of a monopoly, a monopoly not only dominant, but there is monopoly behavior, seriously damaged the interests of consumers, so this is indisputable.
this is the first point, second point, our national industries, especially in the SAC under the direct leadership of the major state-owned enterprises, which are not monopolies, oil, railways, electricity,離婚諮詢, finance, etc. , all are monopoly, or even more specifically, these large state-owned monopoly of the total background is the SASAC.
internationally often have this argument, the SASAC said China is the world's largest consortium of monopoly capital, then there is such a problem, the NDRC raised the banner of anti-monopoly, not tigers , we can only Da Cangying. Significantly after ten years of telecommunications industry Ji blizzard of reform, on the one hand the monopoly did not eradicate, this monopoly continues to exist, but on the other hand, as more than just give the railway, petroleum, financial monopoly of these industries much lighter, and the exploitation of consumers have much less, I believe that people across the country are full of feeling, vital to appreciate, anyway, at least ten years of telecommunications charges is ten percent per year Ji at the rate of decline.
other industries, in addition to the interest rate is declining steadily, we are less and less interest on money deposited, all other prices are rising rapidly. Railway or even has Zhengqigeyi, that can talk about antitrust. Why do I think specifically looking for the Development and Reform Commission telecommunications surgery, this is interesting.
some friends, some say, this is equivalent to anti-corruption, corrupt officials caught. In fact corrupt officials everywhere now,律師事務所, but why the individual caught out corrupt officials, a large number of corrupt officials continue to commit crimes, because these corrupt officials are all back, and only in these corrupt officials above the background, had a conflict with each other or belong to different interest groups, then the above fight, and then I caught your hands of corrupt officials, in turn, you catch me hands of corrupt officials, corrupt officials to do the following fact is a scapegoat, the fundamental contradiction is above.
In other words, this monopoly situation in our country, our country by some of the fundamental reforms not in place, no country in the world with the first China that the SASAC, the State-owned Its goal is to appoint these large state-owned enterprises and increasing the value, in other words, exploit the people, and on to the executives of these companies, down to the employees, are a very harsh assessment, which means you exploit people, if you exploit less, also told not official. This approach, roots in the SASAC,離婚官司, the SASAC was established in our country, the Government system to protect the monopoly of this system.
From this perspective, as just said, is the monopoly of Telecom and China Unicom, but rely on them? I feel bad they are. Our telecommunications staff,律師收費, including managers, but also want the best for the people, serve the people, but our system does not allow them to do so. So they need to sweep the knot to how to further deepen the reform of our country. Worthy of attention is pointed out as recently Jinglian reform in our country there have been clear signs of regression called back not even a sign, but obviously back.
past 80 years, 90 years Privitization was transformed into the people back into the country this year, this country is we have an indisputable fact, and this just illustrates the fact that our entire system In turning back.
do not know the specific reasons for Development and Reform Commission to bring telecommunications surgery, but there are many different users to reflect, of course, be looking for, hoping to break about monopoly, tariffs can be be reduced. But on the other hand, there are many people, a war that you are immortal, why? Because such a thing is always aloft and then gently fall, does not solve the problem, let the matter rest. So many of our people make of this anti-monopoly has lost hope, lost faith. I think this demonstrates the Government's credibility has been significantly reduced. And 1980s and even 1990s, the masses of the people firmly believe in reform and opening up, and confidence in stark contrast. So I think this is the anti-monopoly on the Development and Reform Commission a very severe test. You use your action to prove the real thing do? Or, as usual, aloft, gently falling. This is a test of the NDRC.
Moderator: there is a problem, apart from saying that the fact that Telecom and China Unicom is not in the monopoly, there is a problem, why the Development and Reform Commission investigating monopoly in this matter, but do CCTV exposure, he has such qualifications do, for example, Development and Reform Commission in the course of investigation, is not some anti-trust laws should be according to Zhao, there are some confidentiality obligations exist? But now there is no CCTV in the outcome of the investigation before they take the form of exposure, do you think this legal?
Kan Kaili: confidential or not confidential, it should be determined by the Development and Reform Commission. Since the Development and Reform Commission deputy director of the China Central Television in an interview, then I think this shows that at least they think does not exist Development and Reform Commission the issue of confidentiality. Of course, this understanding is appropriate inappropriate Development and Reform Commission, NDRC is responsible for this matter.
the same time I see the Reform Commission's reference to the anti-trust officials, if this, once implemented, it can be punishable by 1% of turnover to 10% of the fine. This is his original cited But behind the words is the China Central Television said to myself, that may be as high fines to Ji Ji billion billion, then you should say that this argument is that CCTV is very irresponsible.
even we can say that, because radio and television systems, including CCTV, including, in many businesses such as Internet and telecommunications companies have a conflict of interest, respectively, and belong to different interest groups, then the China Central Television reported that approach is not only imprudent, is not even a communique furniture hatred, to fan the flames through the grounds of his head, like This I think is really questionable. Because first of all you are stakeholders, and many words are added to fan the flames of your own.
I will ask the Central Television, do not you not a monopoly, you are not monopolized by their dominant market position, where to achieve their ulterior motives for their own groups since the establishment of services? This question, or
CCTV dominates you, of course, we will not pursue, because our country in the current system, CCTV and broadcasting system as a media guide, and even control department, we do not challenge your monopoly position, but your dominance in the end is for your own interests, for whom the service or why, or why the service, I suggest that CCTV also to reflect on their own.
Moderator: public opinion in this matter reflects contradiction between broadcasting and telecommunications, this contradiction comes from the words Now look at the contradictions are deeper, deeper and deeper.
Kan Kaili: prospects for integration and much more.
Moderator: Do you think then that Acer has been on here, how close it down?
Kan Kaili: I think that in the present conditions, the equation has no solution. Because the triple play in the international arena that it at least 20 years, in fact, as digital telecommunications technology, optical technology, whether it is voice, video or data, have become exactly the same bits and data packets, so naturally blend. This is equivalent to some of the bund in the predicted next morning as the sun rises from the East, have never seen any country in the world, what government policies to promote or even to enforce the triple play, the only way China will The reason is simple? As broadcasting and telecommunications belong to two interest groups, and these two interest groups, there are conflicts of interest in it, especially in the integration process, the more conflicts will increase, but the telecommunications industry as an industry, through the Ministry of The above scan is the State Council, while the radio as the party's mouthpiece or propaganda department, the top leadership of the Central Propaganda Department sweep.
all the countries around the world of telecommunications and radio and television, are unified by the Congressional Commission on the following exclusive or below the Federal Communications Commission to unify regulation, only China, have a sweep of the State Council, a sweep the Central Propaganda Department, the above are separate,線上英文, the following is of two interest groups, to produce irreconcilable contradictions.
so if you want to solve this problem,台南電器回收, as long as we day as the Central People's Government of China to be by the State Council, on the other hand there is the Central Propaganda Department, as long as this situation continues to maintain a day, then I think the three networks integration of this problem is unsolvable.
Moderator: CPI up, inflation is up, this tariff is only ten years down the growth of 10% per year. Telecom wages when the previous example, pricey, but is declining slowly, and now may be the community average. But mention that roaming charges, we also do news, everyone is concerned about the problem in that the telecommunications, broadcasting, mobile monopoly, no matter how down, people are not satisfied, Kan teacher, do you think why do you always thankless , which part is we do not get bit?
Kan Kaili: It should be said that the telecommunications system is simply not in place, or more broadly speaking, our country's entire economic system is not in place. On the other hand, for various reasons, we in the media, many industries are set for the restricted areas, such as the railway industry, of course,兼職, in addition to Ji a recent series of events, but the media want to go in-depth analysis of these events, immediately urgent brakes, and why? Fear of affecting the stability, braking a. Such as power industry, coal industry, oil industry, were to some extent, as long as they truly want to dig deep into some of the substantive contradiction, immediately on the brakes. In other words, from the publicity department has set up a restricted area.
only the telecommunications industry, it should be said from Zhu age of ten Ji years, I have heard that some of the media industry reporter or a friend, told me, the media have an argument, called a press on report news, no news on Ma telecommunications. Telecom is just Ma's Central Propaganda Department does not set the restricted area. This is a problem on the one hand, but on the other hand, really, as just mentioned, prices, CPI, consumer price index continues to rise, not to say that housing prices in China, Beijing, Shanghai, China's housing prices have been far far more than the United States, New York, Washington, Los Angeles, far more than the absolute price, not to mention the relative prices. Our food, our Chinese gasoline prices are more expensive than the United States the absolute price, not to mention the relative prices, more can be said Ji-fold in the United States. In this case, the people of course, is a belly full of grievances, grievances to who is out? The only child that spoke, the largest industry is the major telecommunications industry. With news news, no news Ma telecommunications Well, so it naturally makes the telecommunications industry into a punching bag.
note here,離婚訴訟, I do not deny that China Telecom and China Unicom (microblogging) the fact that it's a monopoly, and indeed reform is not in place, so that damage to the interests of consumers, the fact that we have fully confirmed . On the other hand, why the focus here? Such as oil, electricity, especially as the railway, in July the son of a big file, and then quickly, even a large number of newspapers, news media, especially the night is a revised analysis of this report, not to board, and this approach naturally makes telecommunications become common knowledge.
So in terms of both countries in recent years while we do the interests of consumers in serious damage, not to say that the demolition, forcing the owners to self-immolation, such things are unheard of in the world . This kind of thing, consumers, the masses a belly full of grievances, but do not let the media report. This Ji factors together, is an important factor.
Moderator: how do you say after it?
Kan Kaili: I think the only way is to deepen structural reforms,兒童書桌, deepen reform and opening. Jinglian recently talked about our country back turn back the signs of reform, now do not just sign up, but have been very serious. We should learn from state reform and opening up, since the Third Plenum in 1978, 30 years of experience, is also quoted Wu Jinglian said last year sentence, in a meeting, the time has come to look up the road time.
Moderator: for example, reform, reform, if an industry is certainly facing many problems faced by a political system will be more. In limited circumstances, how should we do?
Kan Kaili: broadband Internet on a specific issue is concerned, there are basically four recommendations:
First, the Internet backbone to increase the number of operators, is now a Southern Telecom North China Unicom in the name of two, in fact, mainly in the south and north each one. This should increase the number, such as the China Mobile (microblogging) and radio and television are added in, their respective national fiber optic trunk network are readily available, as long as their operating license issued to Zhao, and allow them to build their own international export bureau, Because the Internet is international, then immediately upstream of the operators there are four, two retail markets, including Railway, the Great Wall Broadband, Gehua,法律諮詢, immediately invigorate. Naturally in the four to choose the most affordable as my backbone bandwidth providers, and the price than it is now greatly reduced. Greatly reduce the cost of these enterprises, because the competition out of the state, so naturally you can lower prices to consumers. Estimates generally speaking, if this step done, particularly in coastal cities, like Beijing's letter, monthly rent can often be reduced about one-third, or even lower. This is the first and most important a measure. Is to break the monopoly by competition, lower prices,律師費用, natural is better than the invisible hand of the market in the visible hand.
second, to increase the operator's backbone network interconnection point. Such as how much our country has a large area, six or seven major areas, you can have in each region to set up one or two interconnection points Ji, this is the case, both to reduce costs, but also makes interoperability so that through competition, the four more fair, and this backbone network operators are not mutually interconnection settlement, because it is for reasons of national policy to enable them to be interconnected, as a mandatory requirement.
third, to strengthen tariff regulation, on the one hand we compete for market pricing so that we, on the other hand, to monitor, making the wholesale price shall not exceed the retail price, just like the beginning about , and Telecom and China Unicom to Railway or the Great Wall is very high wholesale price of their broadband, while the retail price of their users is very low, the energy difference between Ji-fold. This practice must be strictly prohibited.
Fourth, the Development and Reform Commission repeatedly to fine, very good. Then a fine sweep who?
Moderator: Who do you think sweep?
Kan Kaili: I think the course should be returned to consumers, the reason is simple, as the Public Security Bureau police caught the thief, of course, illicit money and goods should be returned to the victim. Can not say that the proceeds of crime in the Public Security Bureau of Bao own furniture capsule, then the police become the biggest robber of. Therefore, since the Development and Reform Commission on Telecom and China Unicom, said to be the monopoly investigation, should be fine, so fine, fine, it should be returned to consumers are internationally accepted to do so.
refund to the consumer's approach is very simple, for example, he traced the past two years period, then the last two years, since it is the consumer, be it exploitation, and you still As a consumer, you have to be returned to you how much money, this money can be hung on the operator's account, and use this to pay you now have to pay the cost of this part of the money has been used up, go to start paying fee. The international community are doing.
total of these four suggestions, the problem is also a fine test, if you really want to solve the problem, I strongly suggest you go to the adoption of these four proposals. In this case, we can fundamentally solve the problem.
Moderator: Thank you, teacher Kan guest Sina interview room.
Kan Kaili: and thanks to the host, thank the majority of users in the future we are ready to continue the exchange.
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